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 Posted: Jul 10 2017, 07:01 AM
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Same-sex marriage advocate buoyed by Malcolm Turnbull's response to Senator Dean Smith's bill plan

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Photo: Malcolm Turnbull (L) has not criticised Dean Smith's gay marriage bill, saying senators can "raise whatever issues they like". (ABC News)

Prominent gay marriage advocate Rodney Croome says he is more confident than at any time since the last election that same-sex marriage is about to be legalised in Australia.

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Malcolm Turnbull did not rebuke Liberal senator for drafting a same-sex marriage bill

Gay marriage advocate says if free vote allowed "this will pass"

Senator Dean Smith wants the matter "resolved before the end of this parliamentary year"

His newfound confidence comes after gay Liberal Senator Dean Smith confirmed he was drafting a same-sex marriage bill and the Prime Minister did not rebuke him.

Mr Croome said he believed this time there is one about to succeed.
"I'm more confident now that we'll see marriage equality achieved in the near future than at any time since the last election," he said.

Mr Turnbull told reporters in Paris on Saturday: "Dean crossed the floor against the plebiscite bill in the Senate you know, so he's got a longstanding view about it."

"In our party room members are allowed to raise whatever issues they like."

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It is a game of snakes and ladders for the Liberals hoping to change the law to allow same-sex marriage.

Privately, Coalition frontbenchers have also noted the PM has not criticised Senator Smith.

Mr Croome said he believed it was a positive development.

"The Prime Minister seems OK with this path being forged... and the best thing the Prime Minister can do now I think is just step out of the way and allow his party room to decide if they will have a free vote or not," Mr Croome said.

"If they do decide to have a free vote... believe me this will pass, it'll take no more than a couple of hours and Australia can finally move on from a debate that has gone on for too long."

Debate should be 'resolved before the end of this year'

Earlier Mr Turnbull said Government policy was for the issue to be voted on through a plebiscite, not a vote in Parliament.

The Coalition cannot get the parliamentary support needed to hold a plebiscite in this term of government, but Senator Smith wants action sooner than after the next election.

"I am of the strong and clear view the matter should be discussed again and resolved before the end of this parliamentary year," Senator Smith said.

"I have been consistent and remain of the view the plebiscite lacks community support and a conscience vote is a tried and trusted method to resolve issues such as same-sex marriage."

Where to from here?

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The same-sex marriage plebiscite was blocked in the Senate — as expected — but the debate is far from over.

He said his bill would allow any two people to marry, while protecting religious freedoms.

Last month Senator Smith told The Huffington Post he believed the issue should be re-examined next month.

"I think we could see marriage equality as early as August, Senator Dean Smith will put forward legislation then his party room will decide whether it has a free vote," Mr Croome said.

Once Senator Smith's bill is finalised it will be technically possible to adapt it for introduction into either house.

Parliament is due to sit again for two weeks from August 8.

Smith bill follows Pyne leak

In a leaked recording made public by News Corp last month, Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne suggested gay marriage would be legalised soon.

"Friends, we are in the winner's circle — but we have to deliver a couple of things and one of those things we've got to deliver before too long is marriage equality in this country," Mr Pyne said to a private Liberal party function.

"We're going to get it. I think it might even be sooner than everyone thinks.

"And your friends in Canberra are working on that outcome."

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott suggested the comments showed Mr Pyne had been a disloyal member of this Cabinet. Mr Pyne later apologised for saying them.



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Why is this rubbish still going on a non binding plebiscite what a waste put it on the vote cards A crying minority user posted image Why are we not asked How many millions wasted

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It was always going to happen.

All part of the Marxist plot to create a society of generic, genderless and above all mindless robots who just do as they are told.

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To put this into perspective - Dean Smith's 'Bill' is only going to the Potty Room, (not the Parliament), to try to overturn the Potty Room decision to back a plebiscite or nothing, so that the libs can vote according to their 'conscience'..

There is already a Marriage Equality Bill before the Parliament. It was passed by the Senate some time ago.

All it would take is for the manager of opposition business, (Christopher Pyne), in the HoR to allow that bill to be debated and voted on. Even it the Liberals held firm and didn't allow a 'conscience' vote, Labor, the Green, and the Independents - plus a couple of notable supporters on the government side, would see the bill passed. The Lib supporters would probably have to take a toilet break while the bill was voted on. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

The problem with that scenario is that Pyne is not allowed to put the bill on the notice paper, so there is no debate and no vote until the Potty Room has the numbers for a conscience vote.

Abbott would see this as a Clayton's leadership spill..
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Your analysis may be quite right Bill. However, answer me this: "Why have Labor and the Greens opposed a plebiscite?'"
I think I know the real answer. Labor and the Greens are afraid to give people a voice.
A plebiscite may or may not be binding, but at least the view of the overall population would be aired.
The concept of a "conscience vote" is utter nonsense. It has nothing to do with the views of the electorate and everything to do with the views of individual MPs. How many of these MPs have canvassed their electorate to gain an insight into the opinion of those who elected them. I would suggest very few.

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All it would take is for the manager of opposition business, (Christopher Pyne)


Well I'll be buggered. I didn't know Whiney Pyney had defected. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif



QUOTE (Charles @ Jul 11 2017, 04:14 PM)
Your analysis may be quite right Bill. However, answer me this: "Why have Labor and the Greens opposed a plebiscite?'"
I think I know the real answer. Labor and the Greens are afraid to give people a voice.
A plebiscite may or may not be binding, but at least the view of the overall population would be aired.
The concept of a "conscience vote" is utter nonsense. It has nothing to do with the views of the electorate and everything to do with the views of individual MPs. How many of these MPs have canvassed their electorate to gain an insight into the opinion of those who elected them. I would suggest very few.




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