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 Universities Stifling Free Speech
Charles
 Posted: Dec 31 2017, 01:33 PM
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A question for you Bill. Where do you get the idea that "The $4 Million offered to the UWA by Tony Abbott, and rejected, was also rejected by every University in Australia" when UWA and Flinders are the only universities cited?

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QUOTE (Charles @ Dec 31 2017, 11:33 AM)
A question for you Bill. Where do you get the idea that "The $4 Million offered to the UWA by Tony Abbott, and rejected, was also rejected by <span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>every University in Australia" when UWA and Flinders are the only universities cited?</span>



Because the other institutions are more like TAFE's rather than Universities? They merely teach a trade. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/tongue.gif

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For example, rather than taking for granted one particular section of Wikipedia regarding Professor Lomborg, you might have included the following excerpt:

I did provide the link Charles. The only reason that I chose the excerpt that I did was to highlight the section in your post that mentioned the $4 Million from Abbott to fund the Australian Consensus Centre

A question for you Bill. Where do you get the idea that "The $4 Million offered to the UWA by Tony Abbott, and rejected, was also rejected by every University in Australia" when UWA and Flinders are the only universities cited?

Pedantry aside Charles - If Abbott's $4 Million was offered to any other university, we would have heard of it, and many/some (take your pick http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif ) have been at pains to ridicule the idea of a government 'sponsored' Australian Consensus Centre run by Bjorn Lomborg as little more than a political exercise by the climate change deniers within the Abbott government..

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Hi lee
Because the other institutions are more like TAFE's rather than Universities? They merely teach a trade

ANU ?, Melbourne Uni, Monash, the ANU, UQ, QUT, USQ (University of Sothern QLD (Toowoomba) ? etc. etc.

Trades lee ? - Maybe you are thinking of the 'private colleges offering 'VET courses. Please explain.

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QUOTE (Alicia @ Dec 31 2017, 01:23 PM)
Yes Bill, that would be correct that all the Australian universities rejected the offer, freedom of speech, opinion, thought and ideas are not welcomed in Australian educational establishments unless the “progressive” line is toed. Note that I did not include “facts” in my list. I do miss my daily dose of the west. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

There's nothing wrong with 'freedom of speech' Alicia. If I remember correctly Bjorn Lomborg had a number of speaking engagements in Australia about the time that Abbott made his....oops.....OUR $4 Million offer.

The issue is not about 'freedom of speech', but whether Australian taxpayers should fork out $4 Million so that a marginal controversial character like Bjorn Lomborg can have a platform at a major Australian University. (University said NO. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif )

As far as I am aware, nowhere ourside of Denmark has made a similar offer to Bjorn Lomborg.

The money would have been better spent on the homeless or veterans mental health http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_IMHO.png ............

....or culling the crocodiles in Far North Queensland......Did you know that every three months someone is ripped part by a crocodile in FNQ ? (Source: Bob Katter http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif )

While I remember.......


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Bill said:
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little more than a political exercise by the climate change deniers within the Abbott government..


Bill, you will have to remind me, who denies climate changes? http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/wink.gif


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Bill said:

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ANU ?, Melbourne Uni, Monash, the ANU, UQ, QUT, USQ (University of Sothern QLD (Toowoomba) ? etc. etc.

Trades lee ? - Maybe you are thinking of the 'private colleges offering 'VET courses. Please explain.


Well, they don't promote critical thinking, because they don't promote free speech. They must be glorified trade training centres, Doctors are a trade group, a specialised trade group, but a trade group nevertheless. Social Scientists seem to be some kind of underclass, not really scientists. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/tongue.gif

An Emeritus professor of Social Science recently wrote a letter to the editor expounding the 97% consensus. A respondent cited the Cook et al (2013) study and quoted part of the abstract.

"We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming."

It was pointed out that 97.1% of 32.6% was not 97% of climate scientists, let alone all scientists.

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Bill said:
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The issue is not about 'freedom of speech', but whether Australian taxpayers should fork out $4 Million so that a marginal controversial character like Bjorn Lomborg can have a platform at a major Australian University. (University said NO. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif )


So seeing as the world has spent Billions of dollars on climate cahnge for no net benefit, perhaps it is time to look at mitigation strategies.

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Bill, you say, "Pedantry aside Charles - If Abbott's $4 Million was offered to any other university, we would have heard of it, and many/some (take your pick) have been at pains to ridicule the idea of a government 'sponsored' Australian Consensus Centre run by Bjorn Lomborg as little more than a political exercise by the climate change deniers within the Abbott government." yet it is clear from the following statement: "His issue is not with the reality of climate change, but rather with the economic and political approaches being taken (or not taken) to meet the challenges of that climate change." that Bjorn Lomborg isn't a climate change denier. He has simply challenged the amounts of money spent on talkfests, research and international agreements when, in his opinion, that money could be better spent on other concerns.

By focusing on Tony Abbott and Bjorn Lomberg you are sidestepping the main issue, and that is universities should be institutions where free speech, critical thinking and healthy debate should take precedence over ideological dogma and politically correct "progressive" censorship.

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So seeing as the world has spent Billions of dollars on climate cahnge for no net benefit, perhaps it is time to look at mitigation strategies.

Sounds good to me lee - maybe we could start by not burning fossil fuels. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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