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 High Court Rules on "Citizenship 7"
Charles
 Posted: Oct 27 2017, 02:14 PM
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Who stays, who goes: High Court rules on Citizenship 7’s political future

Staff reporters with AAP
Friday, 27 October 2017 11:18AM


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Deputy Prime Minister and Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has been disqualified from parliament after the High Court made its decision on the fate of seven former and current federal parliamentarians.

Former federal minister Matt Canavan and independent Nick Xenophon can remain in parliament, the court has ruled.

The High Court delivered its decision this morning.

Mr Joyce, cabinet colleague Fiona Nash, former minister Matt Canavan, former Greens senators Larissa Waters and Scott Ludlam, One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts and crossbencher Nick Xenophon were referred to the court over their dual citizenship.

Australia’s constitution bans anyone holding dual citizenship from sitting in parliament, in a section aimed at ensuring MPs do not hold split allegiances.

Mr Joyce is in his electorate of New England in NSW today with events planned in Armidale, Uralla, Walcha and Tamworth.

He addressed the media in Tamworth after the announcement and said he respected the High Court’s decision.

He said he had not taken for granted the support from the people in his electorate. It had been humbling.

He would now concentrate on the people of New England.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CITIZENSHIP SEVEN?

BARNABY JOYCE: Joyce will be forced to a by-election in his NSW seat of New England, the earliest date for which is December 2. He is likely to retain the seat but the one-seat majority government will have six weeks of anxiety and distraction. His longtime nemesis Tony Windsor could put up a solid fight if he decides to stand again. A by-election loss would deliver minority government.

MATT CANAVAN: He will remain in parliament and is expected to get his cabinet post back.

NICK XENOPHON: Xenophon said he would quit parliament whatever the court ruled. If disqualified the next person on the NXT ticket would have been business consultant Tim Storer. But Xenophon won the case, so there will be a casual vacancy to be filled by NXT. At least three other senior NXT members are interested.

SCOTT LUDLAM: Ludlam has also resigned. The next candidate on the West Australian Greens ticket is 23-year-old student Jordon Steele-John. Ludlam has ruled out a return to politics “in the short or medium term”.
What happens to Government now?

FIONA NASH: Nash’s Senate seat would ordinarily go to the next person on the NSW coalition ticket, Liberal Hollie Hughes. But the Nationals might insist on one of their own taking it, which would likely require Hughes to take up the seat, resign and cause a casual vacancy. Hughes is disqualified from sitting at the moment because she holds a government job at the Administrative Appeals Tribunal.

MALCOLM ROBERTS: His seat will go to the next candidate on the Queensland One Nation ticket, Fraser Anning. Anning was facing bankruptcy proceedings that would have ruled him out of the seat but the case has been dropped.

LARISSA WATERS: Waters has already resigned from the Senate. She will be replaced by the next person on the Queensland Greens ticket, former Democrats senator Andrew Bartlett. The former environmental lawyer has renounced her Canadian ties.


https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/who-stays-who-goes-high-court-rules-on-citizenship-7s-political-future-ng-b88642206z

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No comment Charles.

Well I guess it is what it is.

From what I have been reading, Weasel Windsor is not going to run again so Barnaby will probably romp in again. But Weasel seems to be hinting that he may have a go at the senate next time around.

Apparently it was unanimous ruling in each of the cases.

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 Posted: Oct 27 2017, 05:32 PM
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http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_IMHO.png Windsor is an egotistical type, he likes to be important. Not surprised he weaseled out of the competition.
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'There will be others' says Perth lawyer who exposed Scott Ludlam

http://www.theage.com.au/wa-news/there-will-be-others-says-perth-lawyer-who-exposed-scott-ludlam-20171027-gza02g.html

The man who sparked the chain of events that led to the downfall of Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce says more MP's will likely fall.

Western Australian lawyer John Cameron exposed Greens MP Scott Ludlam as a New Zealand citizen in July this year, leading to an eventual constitutional crisis for the Australian government.

Senator Ludlam's resignation resulted in the status of numerous other politicians being questioned, which culminated in Friday's High Court Decision disqualifying five federal MPs.

While Mr Cameron said he was "invariably surprised" at how quickly the citizenship scandal had snowballed, he expects more politicians will fall foul of section 44 of the Australian constitution in coming months.

"There will be others," Mr. Cameron told AAP, just hours after the Australian High Court disqualified Mr. Joyce and four other MP's on Friday afternoon.

"This opens up a huge can of worms," he said from Perth.

Mr Cameron said that of the additional MP's he expected would lose their jobs, many of them would be British citizens.

In months that followed Mr Ludlam's resignation Mr Cameron has kept his silence, but following the court's decision has explained to AAP his motivation to dig into the background of Australia's representatives.

Mr Cameron, who has a keen interest in constitutional law, said he began digging in 2011 but wasn't able to gain traction until several years later.

He started with then Prime Minister Julia Gillard and opposition leader Tony Abbott.

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Mr Cameron first started looking into Tony Abbott's eligibility. Photo: Alex Ellinghausen

"When I started I was after Gillard and Abbott but I wasn't having much joy getting the evidence; or I wasn't getting much joy in the high court accepting the evidence that I had from the British border authority," he said.

Instead Mr Cameron turned to his home country of New Zealand for information and the "low lying fruit" that was Senator Ludlam.

"So it was easier to go after Scott Ludlam as one of the low lying fruit because it was accessible through New Zealand," he said.

Five months later, Mr Joyce, Senator Ludlam, Nationals MP Fiona Nash, One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts and Greens Greens MP Larissa Waters have all been booted from office.

Mr Cameron said the citizenship scandal highlighted a need for a national anti- corruption commission, similar to what has been established in NSW.

"There's a crying out need for an independent commission on corruption, as this case has demonstrated," he said.

"And if nothing else comes out then it will have been worthwhile."


The number of MP's that Cameron is referring to is 13, so we could be faced with 13 by-election in the not too distant future. Even if the MPs have renounced their citizenship recently Sect. 44 would still exclude them from sitting in the Federal Parliament if they were dual citizens at the time of nomination.

Order in more popcorn - It's goinf to be an interesting couple of months - and there's still the chance that the Nationals will withdraw from the Coalition when the Liberals reject Senator Nigel Scullion as Deputy Prime Minister and appoint Julie Bishop instead.. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/lbill.gif

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Regardless of recent high court rulings, I think the whole deal stinks. I still say a person that is born in Australia, to an Australian lady, has to be Australian! Let's say a baby is born out here, to an Australian mother and a Danish father, does that baby have dual citizenship automatically, for both countries? This citizenship by involuntary descendancy has got to be bullshit! Can that kid just renounce his Australian citizenship be strictly a Dane, just like that? No passport required to get into his own country, because the high court would already rule him as Danish, and he'd be able to waltz straight in, singing "🎶Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen...🎶" as he skipped past the Little Mermaid! Surely this would be right? I mean, the court decision, not the skipping!

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If a person is born here by legal resident parents and some countries extend citizenship to them because of their heritage, it should not be considered duel citizenship unless that person seeks benefits or a passport from that foreign nation. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_IMHO.png

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I totally agree with you Flin.

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The whole saga results in by-elections which cost money which could be better spent.

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What a mess.....now if Shoten and his cronies used their brains by considering the needs of the nation for once instead of themselves by providing stable political support for the nation's welfare until after the New England by election they would gain a lot more support, but of course, this will not happen.

At best Shorten and his cronies are going to 'cause havoc' in an attempt to unseat the government during this messy instability, Australia cries for a stable government with strong leadership, both seriously lacking at a critical time.



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Yep more cash for same sex or safe schools user posted image user posted image do not need an audit trust me am a politician turn bul says it is to exprnsive we are owed it

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