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 Labor Pollies Under Citizenship Cloud
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 Posted: Nov 25 2017, 07:26 PM
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Coalition Government draws up hit-list of Labor pollies under dual-citizenship cloud
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EXCLUSIVE: Sarah Martin and Nick Butterly
Saturday, 25 November 2017 6:30AM


Deputy Opposition Leader Tanya Plibersek is among the more high-profile politicians on the hit-list.Picture: Mogens Johansen/The West Australian

A government citizenship hit-list suggests more than 25 Labor MPs and senators could be under a constitutional cloud because of dual nationality, as Parliament prepares for a new disclosure regime to kick in next week.

The West Australian has obtained a comprehensive spreadsheet prepared by Coalition staff members, which presents research into the heritage of all sitting Labor parliamentarians.

The emergence of the list comes as WA senator Glenn Sterle reveals is seeking confirmation from the British Home Office that he does not hold UK citizenship through his mother.

Senator Sterle said he did not believe he was a dual national through his father, who was born in Yugoslavia, and fled to Australia as a refugee with the rest of his family after the Second World War.

The new citizenship research, which traces the background of MPs through to both sets of grandparents, highlights a number of cases where either proof of renunciation has not been provided, or where issues of potential dual citizenship are yet to be investigated.

Among the MPs listed are two Jewish MPs – Michael Danby and Mark Dreyfus - who the documents suggests may have obtained German citizenship as a result of their refugee fathers, both of whom arrived in Australia in 1939.

Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg has faced similar questions about the potential for him to be a dual Hungarian citizen, given his mother, a Holocaust survivor, arrived to Australia stateless after fleeing Europe following World War II.

The document also suggests that Victorian Labor senator Kim Carr could have inadvertently obtained Israeli citizenship through his marriage, with Israeli citizenship automatically granted to spouses under the Law of Return before 1999. It is unclear whether Senator Carr’s spouse Carole Fabian holds Israeli citizenship, with the document saying the potential split allegiance “has not been looked into.”

Labor claims that it has rigorous internal preselection processes in place to ensure its candidates are not in breach of Section 44 of the Constitution which forbids dual nationality.

However, given the High Court’s hardline application of the constitutional requirement – which has so far seen nine MPs disqualified - speculation is mounting that more MPs from both major parties may yet be ruled ineligible.

Labor MPs Josh Wilson, Susan Lamb and Justine Keay are among the Labor MPs in doubt, given they claim to have renounced their dual citizenship prior to nominating, but did not receive confirmation until after the June 9 deadline.

Mayo MP Rebekha Sharkie, who was elected under the Nick Xenophon Team banner, is also in this category with expectations she will be referred to the High Court following the disclosure process.

Most of the MPs and senators included on the hit-list are those who claim to have renounced their dual nationality, but who are yet to produce evidence.

Under the disclosure regime established by the government, Senators will have until 5pm Friday to produce their citizenship documents and proof of renunciation, while MPs in the House of Representatives have been given until 8pm on December 5.

WA Labor Senator Glenn Sterle confirmed he was seeking a letter from the British Home Office to clarify his citizenship as his mother had been born in England.

But Senator Sterle said he was confident he was in the clear, as he was born in Melbourne in 1960 – well before changes to UK law granted citizenship to children of British-born women overseas.

“I am not entitled to British citizenship,” Senator Sterle said.

“I am only getting (the letter from the Home Office) because you bastards won’t leave me alone.”

Senator Sterle said that as Yugoslavia no longer existed, he could not possibly be a citizen of another country on his father’s side.


https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/coalition-government-draws-up-hit-list-of-labor-pollies-under-dual-citizenship-cloud-ng-b88669997z

It was only a matter of time before these questions were raised. 16 of those named on the list claim to have renounced foreign citizenship yet no proof has been given.
In the case of Tanya Plibersek, she claims she has never held Slovenian citizenship yet she has bought property in Slovenia.
Steve Georganas, the Labor member for Hindmarsh, has refused to specify when he renounced his Greek citizenship.
The can of worms is still wriggling.

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opops trust me my word is good i am so sick of these illegals charge them with fraud
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The worms are still wriggling, but Labor have made a lot of mileage and done a lot of damage with their holier than thou attitude on this issue.

I doubt that damage will be undone even if some of them are caught out.

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Ho hum - Look over there.

For over two decades Labor have had their lawyers look at heritage issues for thei Federal candidates to make sure they were not in contravention of Section 44.

The LNP have blithely ignored the problem hoping it would go away.

On December 5th, all members and Senators will have to reveal to the Parliament...
1.Their ancestry, back to their grandparents.
2. Steps they've taken to confirm whether dual citizenship exists.
3. Steps taken to renounce dual citizenship.
4. The timeline for those procedures.

Note how it's the government that has drawn up a "hit list" - not Labor. It's a political hit list nothing more..

Labor will, and Curly has stated this frequently, present their credentials to the Parliament by the 5th December..

There are a more couple of interesting cases that could be put under further scrutiny once the audit (that isn't an audit http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif ) is complete.

The first is Matt Canavan who only survived because he put no evidence to the High Court, and the second is Tony Abbott, and the third is Pauline Hanson..

There's no doubt that Abbott is an Australian citizen, and is no longer a British citizen - the problem is the timeline. We don't know when he renounced his British citizenship and we haven't seen the actual 'renunciation certificate - like the one that Curly presented to the Parliament.

Pauline's grand mother was from Scotland, and we have no evidence that she has ever renounced her claim to British citizenship. We do know that when she spat the dummy, she went to the UK to live. Did she claim her British citizenship by descent then, and has she renounced it since.

These and many more interesting questions will be answered on December 5th. Order in the popcorn. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

It's highly unlikely that any Labor member will be caught out. That's just wishful thinking. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

So far, no Labor member has been referred to the High Court, while the 'casualty ward' from the rest stands at...

Greens - 2
No Notion - 1....but I'm waiting for the empirical evidence on that one. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif
NXT - 1
LNP - 7, or is it 8 or....I've lost count http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/biggrin.gif

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All very slimey
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Just how far back are they going to go? I would think that no one in Australia would be totally of Australian heritage, and that includes the aboriginal population. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif
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We don't know when he renounced his British citizenship and we haven't seen the actual 'renunciation certificate - like the one that Curly presented to the Parliament.


The Certificate of Renunciation was first published in 2013.

" 1 June 2016
Updated form.
10 December 2015
Updated guidance.
25 June 2015
Updated form RN.
22 April 2015
Updated guide
18 October 2013
First published."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-to-give-up-renounce-british-citizenship-form-rn#history

Maybe that's why it hasn't been provided.

Bill S provided a letter.

"Federal Labor leader Bill Shorten has released a letter showing he has renounced his British citizenship."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-04/bill-shorten-presents-citizenship-papers-to-parliament/8870476

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All this renouncing is just plan rubbish. They can renounce today and then reapply 20 years down the track, it's a lawyers tactic.

I don't see anywhere under the constitution that allows renouncement of citizenship of another country is a right to stand for parliament.

As far as I'm concerned its all about the destruction of infiltrating our country and Government. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/soapbox_888.gif

I don't trust or like many currently in parliament.


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QUOTE (Alicia @ Nov 26 2017, 05:00 PM)
Just how far back are they going to go? I would think that no one in Australia would be totally of Australian heritage, and that includes the aboriginal population. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif


Apparently the buck stops with your grandparents birth place.

I should be ok, I don't think mine goes back to the 1st ship in chains and irons but I'm aware that my Great Grandmother on my Fathers side was blacklist from her family in England because she married a Bloody Australian.

My mums side dates back to 1820. They were Dutch.

Yep I'm almost Australian
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You may be right about Labor lawyers Bill. Providing they were not young and naïve like a certain one claimed to be. http://fairdinkumnewschat.com/rolleyes.gif

But time will tell I guess.

But I do recall reading that a couple of Labor pollies did not receive confirmation of their renouncement before the close of nominations for the election in which they were elected, so their position is shaky if that is the case. http://fairdinkumnewschat.b1.jcink.com/uploads/fairdinkumnewschat/smiley_don_t_know.gif

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